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but I think what you said is fine and there's no need to stir trouble and not just discussion
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/7/2023 11:58 PM
I would have just said (in response to "is tulpamancy cultural apropriation") "Not more than witchcraft is."
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Al6 loves ya! [KayD] 5/8/2023 11:21 AM
Just now I was doing some more research on tulpas and I’m starting to second guess my decision
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My whole idea was “I can make my OCs into tulpas so that they become more lifelike”
11:22 AM
Not only is that going into Afton territory, it’s also recommended against by a guy I was watching in my research
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 11:23 AM
I mean, you can make character tulpas, just don't expect them to want to be/always be like their source material.
11:24 AM
We have OC-headmates, most of them changed their identity and are now no longer recognizable when compared to their source character.
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Not all of them liked to be based on OC's, either, especially those who were given more traumatic backstories and related to them emotinally.
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It's possible to make OC's into tulpas, and not inherently a horrible idea, but you'll have to be aware of several factors, and you'll probably want to try your best to minimize the amount of stressors in their backstories, if you plan to make them heavily associate with said identity.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:02 PM
You can make very lifelike OCs without making them tulpas too Unless you want a headmate who's like, "Yeah this is my character and no I'm not going to listen to you". I make the decisions now (edited)
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A long kiss goodnight
You can make very lifelike OCs without making them tulpas too Unless you want a headmate who's like, "Yeah this is my character and no I'm not going to listen to you". I make the decisions now (edited)
.... all my characters do that by default
3:12 PM
I view characters as a type of thoughtform
3:12 PM
They aren't tulpas, its just that characters and tulpas are under the same umbrella
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:13 PM
Fair point
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:14 PM
Interesting idea, makes sense.
3:14 PM
It's kind of a spectrum, no?
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for sure
3:14 PM
I have characters that are more 'tulpa like' than others
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:15 PM
We stopped making characters after we became plural, honestly.
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Although, I do want to resume making them for fun, and to practice drawing.
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 5/8/2023 3:17 PM
I have continued making characters alongside being plural
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:17 PM
I want to make characters but I haven't created a character that I'm super invested in right now
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:20 PM
Same.
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Sometimes you make a character. Sometimes a character reaches out from the collective consciousness and clutches you by the throat and you have no choice but to give them a name
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:21 PM
I kind of want to design an UTAUloid, using our voice as a voice provider, that way thr character has some basic utility.
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So I can justify putting in effort.(joke)
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I get obsessed with my characters or stories for like, a day or 2 and then lose interest 😅
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I stopped writing and roleplaying a long time ago and it was attached to learning about tulpamancy but it wasn't out of the fear that id accidentally make more tulpas
3:23 PM
it was far, far more complicated than that
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:25 PM
We turn our headmates into ocs.
3:25 PM
Reverse introjection. Outrojection.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:28 PM
I do wonder about that- what happens when you become good enough at art people will start to make tulpas of your tulpas
3:29 PM
To my knowledge it hasn't happened to us, but I wonder if it could happen as our art skills improve
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:30 PM
I wonder if someone would ever use art of our headmates (who aren't fictives) as forms for their headmates.
3:30 PM
If they use our fanart, like, sure, that's a different thing. That character already exists somewhere, it's not our unique creation.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:31 PM
I know it happened to the Osakas. Apparently someone created a Nat tulpa even though Nat isn't a fictive
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:32 PM
Huh, like, based on her personality, or appearance only?
3:33 PM
Their* I don't want to assume.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:34 PM
I have no idea. Nat told me about it, I have no idea what the rest of the context is I remember her being she/her unless she changed it
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if you base a tulpa off of just some other person you are a weirdo
3:37 PM
popular existing characters isn't weird, but like just some guy? your a wackjob
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:37 PM
Joe Biden tulpa
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What if it's some famous guy
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celebrities is less weird but still weird
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:38 PM
Fair, then again, it depends on who
3:38 PM
Lady Gaga and Andrew Tate are completely different stories from each other.
3:39 PM
Thoughts on historical figure tulpas?
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Like, Aristotle, or Napoleon or something. Dead famous guys.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:46 PM
Who would want a historical figure tulpa is the more important question
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A history nerd
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:47 PM
Maybe? Never in my life have I unironically seen a historical figure factive tulpa
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Never say never. I absolutely can believe some edgelord would make a hitler tulpa just cuz
3:48 PM
Also historical figures have easy to visualize faces for obvious reasons
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:51 PM
Maybe some historical philosopher or scientist or something for more metaphysical people to try and take knowledge from
3:52 PM
No idea. I thought I remembered someone with a Greek or Roman tulpa, not sure if they were based on a real philosopher, or if they were just some random Greco-Roman guy.
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Zee
Never say never. I absolutely can believe some edgelord would make a hitler tulpa just cuz
A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:56 PM
I have heard of many a Hitler headmate, but their purposes are either for trolling (and probably never actually developed) or because a disordered system has problems
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
No idea. I thought I remembered someone with a Greek or Roman tulpa, not sure if they were based on a real philosopher, or if they were just some random Greco-Roman guy.
A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 3:57 PM
Huh, interesting
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 3:59 PM
At least, the name sounded as such.
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I always found the concept of being obsessed with real people celebrities to be super strange
4:24 PM
I don’t get the appeal
4:25 PM
… then again I have been super invested in YouTubers. But it’s almost always because they are acting out a character so I guess I’m obsessing over their OC lol
4:26 PM
Like DSMP and Blackrock chronicles.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:36 PM
I agree making a tulpa off of a YouTuber or even a celebrity is less weird because they're putting forward a persona that's a character rather than who they are as themselves. A historical figure tulpa would more likely tap into that based on who they are as a person thing and that would be weird A tulpa off of another tulpa is weird because tulpas aren't doing that public persona thing (edited)
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If I met anyone who allowed a tulpa in their system that’s based off of just some random person that’s grounds to immediately cut all contact
4:38 PM
That’s a whole other level of crazy I’m not gonna deal with
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:40 PM
It definitely falls into weird harassment territory for sure
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I feel weird meeting a tulpa based off of the same popular characters that’s in my system and those are just well known characters I have zero right to, so I’d very very bothered if someone very specifically tried to make a tulpa based off of anyone in my system.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:41 PM
It reminds me of that one plural server I was in that made a rule saying no alters off of other system's alters
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Okay but you can’t control alters
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Part of DID is alters forming based off of real people in your life
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But if you allow a tulpa that has that origins, that’s just not okay
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:43 PM
I'm wondering if the idea is keep those alters out of the chat but I could be wrong. I agree a tulpa or other endogenic headmate would be weird
4:44 PM
I remember thinking about race bent tulpas having a similar thought- if they're alters they get a pass but with tulpa systems no that's not okay
4:45 PM
A white system with black tulpas is just racist
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I don’t see how that’s racist honestly
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:48 PM
It's racist because a black headmate in a white system is like blackface on a whole new level. This headmate would never have to deal with actual racism because their body is white and by being a "black headmate" they would be inclined to "act black" and ask for "black privileges"
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:49 PM
Reverse introjection. Outrojection.
@Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ - jump introjection, intrajection, interjection
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:49 PM
I mean, as long as they're not claiming to be oppressed in the same ways bodily minorities are, then, fine.
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:49 PM
It's racist because a black headmate in a white system is like blackface on a whole new level. This headmate would never have to deal with actual racism because their body is white and by being a "black headmate" they would be inclined to "act black" and ask for "black privileges"
@A long kiss goodnight - jump uh oh are anime headmates racist
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There is a difference between acting black and having a form that just happens to be black 🤷‍♂️
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
It's racist because a black headmate in a white system is like blackface on a whole new level. This headmate would never have to deal with actual racism because their body is white and by being a "black headmate" they would be inclined to "act black" and ask for "black privileges"
@A long kiss goodnight - jump uh oh are anime headmates racist
No, anime people are clearly just white people /j
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:50 PM
i remember how i got banned on one of the did servers for using "japanese" emojis while not being japanese yes it was a did server yes did servers are as unhealthy and unstable as i keep telling you
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:50 PM
Like, if you're conscious that being an introject of a person of color character isn't the same as being a bodily minority, and that you really aren't as able to make the same comments or actions as a bodily minority, then it's not inherently a harmful practice.
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A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:51 PM
I think anime and using Japanese emojis are different. Being a tulpa who can choose their form and you go with a black person form... Yeah...
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:51 PM
Like, I'm fine with a headmate who appears black, but is in a white body, but if that headmate uses language specifically reclaimed by black people, its....ehhhh
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:51 PM
who wouldn't want a morgan freeman tulpa?
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:51 PM
IE the n word.
4:51 PM
But AAVE also applies I suppose
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
who wouldn't want a morgan freeman tulpa?
A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:52 PM
As a meme tulpa I think it could be funny, but as a serious thing I would have questions
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:52 PM
We have a darker-skinned headmate, but he's also like, a literal fictional race.
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If I had a black character that accidentally became a tulpa like the others in my system I would not be able to get them to willingly change their form
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:52 PM
next step is furries are speciest
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
We have a darker-skinned headmate, but he's also like, a literal fictional race.
A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:53 PM
That I actually don't have a problem with. I don't think having a headmate based on a fictional race is the same thing
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 5/8/2023 4:53 PM
Granted that race us based heavily upon real world minority groups as a result of the author's world building, but he also tries his best to not step on the toes of minorities of that group.
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“My form is a black person” and “I am a black person” are massively different things. One of them is just normal tulpamancy the other is problematic
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Rusty
If I had a black character that accidentally became a tulpa like the others in my system I would not be able to get them to willingly change their form
A long kiss goodnight 5/8/2023 4:54 PM
That's a fair point, but I don't know if I would blame other people for having a problem if they mentioned they were black to others
4:56 PM
It's one of those conversations I wish we had black tulpa systems to chime in on
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 5/8/2023 4:56 PM
i think i would only have problem if someone a headmate was trying to portray themselves as a person of certain origin, it becomes a caricature that would make me very uncomfortable
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as in, if it's just about looks, i'm not sure i would have problem with that
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Eh, I don’t really care what some random black person thinks. One single guy is not ever the spokesperson for a whole group and I find it irritating when people act like it has any kind of weight
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